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    United States Welfare

    Being a "Welfare Recipient" due to Noah's medical problems I don't see any logic in the system what so ever.

    My example: I worked full time my whole life, My son got terminally ill and the hosptial bills we're out of this world ( we're talking hundered's of thousands of dollars) so we had to apply for medicade we HE got approved and also receives Social Security for his disibility.

    OK so now everything is setteled, he still has major medical bills, PT, OT, Speech thearapy ect. but I work Full Time Again and now the state is taking away his medicade. THis just blow's me away. If I worked 3 jobs I couldn't afford the bills for him. I also sell Health INsurance for a living so I have seen EVERY SINGLE OPTION and it aint happening.

    So I have 2 choices

    1. Quit my job, fall below the poverty level and have nothing OR
    2. Work my arse off, spend every extra dime on med bills and lose my son's medical saftey net.

    IN THE MEAN TIME the are hundeds of people who LOVE option #1, abuse the crap out of the system, and get additional welfare, sit home and od nothing. While the people like me who are trying to do something with there live's get friggin skrewed!! Sorry I am pissed off and ranting and I don't want to turn this into a racist thread but if the goverment would concentrate more on our own people instead of ever single border hopper who got here, Our people and OUR children would be taken care of The TAX PAYERS!!! EEUUUUUURRRRRGGGGGTG :evil:

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    Heather, the problem is, that you are being punished for something which is beyond your control. Because Noah and you live in the US, you are being skrewed over by the system.

    In most Western-European countries, you would have to pay higher insurances, but practically everything can be covered without spending 10s of thousands dollars on the health and well-being of your child of your own. Although there are a few loopholes in these systems too.

    If you would work 2 jobs in Europe, you pay higher taxation on your wages, though. But you would be rewarded for your efforts; even though quite a few people chose for option #1.

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    I just don't understand WHY the system here is so horrid, because we welcome every imigrint here with welcome arms' and give them all of our welfare. It's just not fair, if I was form Mexico or CUBA the state would hand me everything on a silver platter, but since I am an american who pays taxes I get the option to get nothing and be White Trash or Work like a regular citizen, pay taxes, and suffer.. The american people with disibilities get skrewed all around. My father is blind he isn't allowed to work as a Tellemarketer for 5 bucks an hour because if he does he will lose his Social Security and Medicare... it just makes no sence.

    I'm Moving to CANADA!!

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    If we paid towards Health Insurance.... the amount of money other countries pay on taxes and sales tax....we too would be covered. We just aren't willing to pay that amount....nor let our country force us into it. Socialized medicene won't fly in America.

    Has it become a mess? YOU BET! Something will have to give or bend eventually because far too many people do not have adequate health care. I should be under a doctor's care constantly but my company fought the Work Comp and passed it to the state to make a determination and the state won't give me Medicade because they faulted the company. Then you go to court. It takes months. Meanwhile....you have no health coverage unless you payout of pocket.

    Stone....anytime you have a job...the state won't cover you any longer. You can try disputing it through all the paper work available. It should keep you covered for at least awhile.....OR....go to court and force his Dad to cover him. (Yeah.....I know that's a joke too!) Been there....tried that.

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    I think a part of the problem, is that Social security does not receive the attention it deserves in the US. Especially in politcs.

    The system now punishes people who are on Medicare. They are condemned to live in a crappy situation, and are skrewed over.

    If these people were allowed to work and keep their Medicare, they could pay taxation over their wages / income, say an xx percentage. Of course that would mean also taxing people who are not on Medicare, and that is a measure that probably is not popular over there.

    I know you did not do a thing to deserve all this crap Heather. Noah did not either. But the way the system works, you are skrewed. As long as the system does not improve, nor Noah's condition is cured (if ever), you must chose between working yourself to death, to pay his bills, or become "White Trash." I don't believe you would become "White Trash" however. You are much too strong for that.

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    I can argue both sides of Socialized medicine verry well because I am in the feild. HOWEVER if you knew the amount of comission agents make by selling health insurance... It's just robery that preimum dollars are going twards comissions & marketing. :roll:

    Since health care is private, the underwritting rules are INSANE, unless someone is employeed thru a company witch offers health insurance thru an HMO or group PPO. If not, No pre existing conditions are covered Providing insurance for a group is EXTREAMLY expensive, so between high health cost, high workers comp insurance companies are getting slammed with insurance costs. Witch are raises yearly. Between Social Security, Health CAre and public school funds here personally I think this country is a damm mess. ( I really hate saying that) and I am starting to sound like a DEMOCRAT! LMAO but we won't go THAT far.

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    I would hate to have to pay for medical needs. The only thing that we're responsible to pay for here is dental and eyes (unless it is referred to a specialist by your family doctor). Hubby and i are going to look into some health benifits so that can be covered since he has no benifits where he works. Those two things alone can cost a bloody fortune!

    As far as everything else, I couldn't imagine having to pay for doctor visits, hospital stays, specialists, surgeries...How can anybody afford that? That's very expensive! Bad enough we have to pay our own prescriptions (unless we have some kind of health benifits), those can become very costly as well.

    You made a very good point by saying if the government would take care of their own before the immigrants. it's the same thing here. We have a really hard time to start our own companies here and we get no help from the government but the immigrants have it easy. they drive the brand new cars, own the businesses and take a lot of our jobs. I find that very unfair so that's where we're pretty much in the same boat as far as canada and the states go.

    I wouldn't want to be on the welfare system either. They really don't give you enough to live on. You'd have to work under the table to make ends meet. Same here with the welfare. not nearly enough to live on.

    and you are right, there are a lot of people who screw the welfare system. The people who really really need it are the ones who suffer for the rest who screw the system. it isn't fair at all.
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    Stone....Don't even TRY to get any cash assistance in the state of Florida. The law was passed in 2003 that if you even apply....you have to take ANY JOB they give you....even if it's clearing $200 a week flipping burgers. Pregnancy won't preclude you from the law either.

    It's best just to keep your current job or find one which offers a reasonable health insurance plan.

    You are right Star....Health Insurance here is very expensive. To keep myself and 2 children covered, without an employer plan, will be $685 a month. I've already checked and won't be able to avoid the high amount.

    Ridiculous huh?????

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    I don't want cash I just want what is owed to my son Medical he is disabled receiving social security he is eligable I'm pissed they are giving me crap. I never applied for myself or the BABY. But I sure can't afford to pay for the dilivery plus Noah's med bills. His therapy runs $85/ an hour. EACH for SP and PT he get's it 3 times a week. I would be Neglecting the health and recovery of my child If I didn't do anything to get it for him. Plus unfortunatly if I went to work for a Group that offers insurance I would have to wait 90 days untill enrollment. Noah can't go 90 days with no meds or therapy. PLUs I am having a BABAy in 90 days

    Have you applied for Florida Healthy KIDS? ( I know that's a joke to they only take a number of applications a year)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merika
    You are right Star....Health Insurance here is very expensive. To keep myself and 2 children covered, without an employer plan, will be $685 a month. I've already checked and won't be able to avoid the high amount.

    Ridiculous huh?????
    that is absolutely rediculous! That's the price of rent for crying out loud! How in the world can anyone afford that? you have to eat and clothes your kids and yourself and have a bit of fun too to stay sane. That's unbelievable! wow!
    Life is what you make of it. Make it happen.

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    It is sad, and unfortunatly the older you get the higer insurance costs. :? Plus if it's an individual faimly plan it probabaly isn't very good insurance anyways. There are no HMO's that I know of that are individual.

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    HAHA Star.....$680 wouldn't rent a house around here. More like $1200 for 1000 square feet. I pay over $300 a month just for a lot for a trailor....which also has it's own high mortgage rate.

    Stone....Kid's Healthy Choice really isn't helpful except in accident/hospitalization situations. At $40 a year....it's good to keep handy though if you don't have any other insurance. Again, in Noah's case....you have a right to ask for a special hearing in order to explain your situation. There's no reason to believe they won't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merika
    HAHA Star.....$680 wouldn't rent a house around here. More like $1200 for 1000 square feet. I pay over $300 a month just for a lot for a trailor....which also has it's own high mortgage rate.
    we pay 850 a month for this house but there are higher rents for sure! in the bigger sicites, the rents are much much higher. still, 680. amonth is quite expensive when you have to pay all your other living expenses as well. wow! I still can't get over that! I can't imagine having to pay that.

    hopefully they do understand your situation stone.
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    Jeeze now I really want to move to Canada, I pay 1,100 a month for a duplex

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    Or to Europe, if you see what Health insurance costs over here ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stone
    Jeeze now I really want to move to Canada, I pay 1,100 a month for a duplex
    Yeah but....Star is inside hiding from the snow....while you are probaby wearing shorts with the AC on. HAHA!

    Anywhere in the coastal areas of Florida...you pay a high rent. A landlord has to charge a minimum of 1% of the value of the home and that's what they cost. The duplex Stone lives in....is probably worth $110,000 on a sales market.

    And we are still FAR BELOW what it costs to live in LA or NYC!!! A simple studio apartment in either of those places would probably be around $1000 easy. Maybe DA knows more what they go for in NYC....but I suspect I'm pretty close.

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    Healthcare needs to be reformed, but it wont be easy, the US cannot have socialized healthcare, it would screw the world over, 90% of all medical research is done in the united states, so the high fees we pay is for that. Also our popuation is 10X that of canada.

    anyway, you are in a tough position, and there isnt much you can do about it, unfortunatly you live in a place that the cost of living is very high.


    a 1 bedroom apartment in the city is around $1000 a month. Between me and my roomate we pay $2200 a month for the dorm. It is more expensive then the change in salary for somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merika
    Quote Originally Posted by Stone
    Jeeze now I really want to move to Canada, I pay 1,100 a month for a duplex
    Yeah but....Star is inside hiding from the snow....while you are probaby wearing shorts with the AC on. HAHA!
    it would be worth paying those extra bux not to have the snow! i'm jealous! LOL!

    but the rest of the year here is so wonderful and gorgious! as much as i hate the snow and the wonter months, i wouldn't want to live anywhere else but canada.
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    There are places in the US that are cheap to live in, the southwest and the heartland are cheap. I know in oklahoma, it is very cheap, a duplex is $565 a month. Thats in my town which is the rich suburb. Apartments can be as low as $200 a month.


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    Quote Originally Posted by darkangelism
    Healthcare needs to be reformed, but it wont be easy, the US cannot have socialized healthcare, it would screw the world over, 90% of all medical research is done in the united states, so the high fees we pay is for that. Also our popuation is 10X that of canada.
    Socialized healtcare is an option for the US. The money is there. 60 percent of all profits of the pharmaceutical industry is made in the US alone!

    It's all a question of priorities, and getting enough people in the right places warm for the idea. Unfortunately both major parties in the US are not particularly warm about the whole idea.

    The number of people in the US is not the problem. Sure, there would be more users of healthcare, but also more people paying towards the healthcare system.

    And southern France, Italy, Spain or Portugal would be generally sunny and warm alternatives to Canada .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vautrin
    Socialized healtcare is an option for the US. The money is there. 60 percent of all profits of the pharmaceutical industry is made in the US alone!


    And southern France, Italy, Spain or Portugal would be generally sunny and warm alternatives to Canada .

    Yes that is where their profit is made, but they wouldnt exist if there was no profit, im a business major, profit is everything, if i was told that my company wouldnt earn the same amount of money i would be angry, i would threaten to shut down and stop producing medication and let the sick people die.

    I support big business.


    the problem with those european countries is that they dont speak english.

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    [quote="darkangelism"]
    Quote Originally Posted by Vautrin
    I support big business.

    the problem with those european countries is that they dont speak english.
    Supporting big business is fine. But if the desires of big business prevent a socialized health care, then that is worrisome. Especially for people in situations, somewhat similar to Heather.

    With the amounts of cash she would need for Noah's treatment, she can basically choose between 2 different ways of being royally screwed.
    She'd practically have to marry a millionaire, who owns his own succesful business, to pay for all of Noah's health care.

    In Europe and the rest of the world, these businesses also make part of their profits. Otherwise the medicines would not be here in the first place.

    I don't know if Heather speaks Spanish, but she can learn that. And if she were to live in Spain, with reasonable health care according to Scandinavian standards (which are probably the highest in the world), she could actually reap the benefits for every effort she would make, instead of it being taken away as is the current situation she is in.
    That is rewarding individual initiative, isn't it?

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    From what i am reading it says that to recieve healthcare in spain you have to be a citizen. The same is true in canada, thats a big step to take for getting healthcare. Also i can find so little info on the subject its hard to make valid arguments.

    All i know is that the american way of doing things has lead to most of the things people depend on, and the hghest standard of living. Yes healthcare is expensive, but american companies are producing most of the new drugs and technology that is availble in the US first.

    Under the current system, people who need the healthcare pay for it, whereas in a socialized system, everybody pays for it, so higher taxes, also the quality is higher, less waiting, mote choices on doctors.

    here is an opinion on the contrast in healthcare
    http://www.enterstageright.com/archi...healthcare.htm


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    Probably she would have to be a citizen of Spain or any other country to qualify. I do know that in some countries a marriage to a national of that country also makes one elligible for the health care benefits.
    Some countries in Europe are a lot stricter on these things than other countries are.
    Heather seems more frustrated with the problems she is facing, than seriously considering emigration.

    The highest standard of living comes also with a high price: the highest poverty rates of all industrialised countries in the world. I think the Health care issue is part of the cause of that.

    But I fail to see the connection between the high costs of insuring for health care, which goes to insurance companies to buy health care, and the amount of research done on new drugs. I know it is a billion-dollar industry, but they are not exactly each other's life and blood.

    Sure, the new drugs can help enormously. By the time the medicines are introduced to Europe, they still have not become generic, so the companies can earn a lot of money still on these drugs. And even in Europe after the FDA(in the US) has tested and approved a new drug, a lot of tests have to be run again. So you would actually expect that the costs of medicines is higher in Europe than in the US, even if locally produced.

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    Yeah i doubt heather will move to europe, also i do sympathize with her situation.


    You are right that there is a lot of wasted dollars, mostly in malpractice claims and insurance profits. I have been doing research all afternoon, and from what i found is that the cost of healthcare is less then 1% less in canada, and the cost of US healthcare isnt rising as fast, canadians just pay for the healthcare through taxes. The number of MRI machines in all of canada is less then the number in houston, texas and subsequently the wait time for procedures is many times longer, an average wait of 4 weeks, compared to the average wait of around 20 hours in the US.


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