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    Fetus -vs- Baby

    In reading through the Peterson and other thread(s) regarding the baby incident..... I'm with Alkali in wondering why a baby is considered a 'fetus' for abortion rights, yet is considered a 'baby' in a crime and the person is prosecuted for taking a 'baby's' life?

    I find it to be a contrast of interesting proportion.

    I'm not at all trying to start an abortion debate.....I was just wondering on what basis does the public determine one from another.

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    Thanks for trying to steer clear of the abortion issue, Merika :roll:


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    Yeah....but Peterson got the death penalty for 'Baby Connor'. Granted, in both these cases the unborn child was well within the thrid trimester....but either it's a live baby person or it's not. Society can't pick and chose on a whim.

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    I'm trying to ask the good people at allexperts.com for you but the darn site is taking forever to load! Give me time and I'll have a law expert's answer for you- the rest of us would just be speculating on this one


    Personally- I wonder if she had been under 3 months pregnant could he have used an abortion argument in his defense since he was a parent... OK that wouldn't work b/c he killed her too- but if a man killed only the baby- could he plead abortion? I'm sure he'd get some sort of assault charge on damage done to the mother but could he get out of a murder charge?

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    I was thinking perhaps the 'legal' aspect would be if the mother made the choice or it was made without her consent....that wouldn't clear up the difference in social perception though.

    It WOULD be interesting to see how the legal verbage reads.

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    i got kicked off allexperts as an expert because i went on vacation for too long


    anyway, i think that the fact that it was baby conner here and would be a fetus if it was an abortion, is just liberal doublespeak, so they can have it both ways.


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    Personally I think a BABy means it can live outside the mothers body and a fetus cannot

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    Yes- but even in late term abortion bills the child is referred to as a fetus and they would be as old as 'Baby Connor' Plus- many full term pregnancy babies could not survive outside the womb w/out the help of respirators, medication, etc...

    No child could live unattended outside of the womb.

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    I just thought the double-speak of definition was sort of interesting and wondered if anyone else, besides Alkali who originally brought it up, noticed it.

    I saw a 10 minute sonogram film clip of my grandchild which is 15 weeks old. It has little arms, legs and a mouth which was opening and closing. I'd have a hard time thinking of it as anything but a baby. If someone were to injure my daughter in law or this unborn baby....I certainly would consider it another life. I'm just surprised California did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkangelism
    anyway, i think that the fact that it was baby conner here and would be a fetus if it was an abortion, is just liberal doublespeak, so they can have it both ways.
    One of the arguments against abortion is that you are killing a living human, while but it apparently isn't wrong to do so when they are convicted of a crime. If you can convince me thats not doublespeak, I won't say you have a double standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogula
    Quote Originally Posted by darkangelism
    anyway, i think that the fact that it was baby conner here and would be a fetus if it was an abortion, is just liberal doublespeak, so they can have it both ways.
    One of the arguments against abortion is that you are killing a living human, while but it apparently isn't wrong to do so when they are convicted of a crime. If you can convince me thats not doublespeak, I won't say you have a double standard.

    if that was directed at me, ill say it is a double standard.

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    Then why bother accusing liberals of doublespeak if you are guilty of the same?

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    how so? i am anti abortion and anti murder so i say its wrong either way


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    You are anti-abortion on the grounds that it is killing a human, but you are all for killing humans when it is execution for a crime.

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    killing an innocent is different then killing someone who did something.


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    I think someone may have already mentioned it but I think the distinction comes from a fetus is something that's aborted by choice, a baby can be unborn but is treated as born as it would have happened if circumstances had allowed it to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkangelism
    killing an innocent is different then killing someone who did something.
    So you are for killing off people in one case but not another? Sounds like conservative doublespeak to me.

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    killing a fetus is different because they didnt make a choice that lead to their death, they were killed cause their parents didnt want them.


    Murderers did something that they could have avoided, it was a consequence of their own actions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dogula
    So you are for killing off people in one case but not another? Sounds like conservative doublespeak to me.
    Wouldn't that be the same thought if taken the other way around?

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    DA. As an "old guy" who's often been in consideration of the "right to life" issues I find myself applauding and defending your position in the overall issue. To find someone that defends wanton adult criminals within the same issue is the most aburd comparison possible. Thanks for standing up.

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    I'm not for abortion and never was because to me, a baby is a baby from conception (I don't want to start a debate here, just my opinion ).

    I think they use whatever word that suits them at the time. It's not a baby when it's legally aborted because then that would be murder so they call it a fetus. Scott peterson killed his wife and unborn child. it wasn't legal so they call that unborn child a baby. I think it has to do with whether it's a legal act or not.
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    I totally agree with you Star.

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    Star_64, thanks for your input. In all my years I've never known a pregnant woman to "be with fetus". It is their Baby from the time they acknowledge they're pregnant. It only becomes fetus when it dies naturally or through intervention within the mother. I'm tired of the word people playing with names to justify an end result. I did start this controversial thread with a very pointed intent...and we're there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merika
    Quote Originally Posted by dogula
    So you are for killing off people in one case but not another? Sounds like conservative doublespeak to me.
    Wouldn't that be the same thought if taken the other way around?
    If you are referring to people who take a pro-abortion stance and an anti-death penalty stance, than yes it is the same.

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    dogula. At what age does a human being achieve the "age of reason", as in no longer a child and capable of knowing right from wrong. When does a person achieve the age of personal responsibilty? Those people on death row made personal choices to kill others. How can you possibly compare the rights of those who commit murder with those of an unborn child?

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