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    Who would you recommend for each Prez to choose as VP? Why?


    I am not pleased with either of our major choices but for the sake of NOT complicating this too much- we'll keep the Nominees to McCain and Obama for now.

    McCain- Elizabeth Dole.

    Obama- Hilary Clinton.


    I LOVE Senator Dole. She is very classy. She's also very conservative which would help balance some of McCain's more liberal views- while also making the ticket APPEAR more liberal by adding a female.


    Clinton- B/c I'd like to see them both lose together and I'd LOVE to see her lose AGAIN. (I really don't care for her at all)

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    WHat the HECK???


    Bob Barr has already chosen his VP running mate

    Wayne Allen Root


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    Well dear Scott- tell me why we should vote for a VP that's already been determined?

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    yes i like dole also, not hilary, obama needs somebody who is foreign relations experienced


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fayebelle View Post
    Well dear Scott- tell me why we should vote for a VP that's already been determined?

    You mean....Obama and MCCain are actually reading this thread trying to make a decision?


    Sorry, I hadn't realized Duke had this Power!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fayebelle View Post
    Well dear Scott- tell me why we should vote for a VP that's already been determined?

    You mean....Obama and MCCain are actually reading this thread trying to make a decision?


    Sorry, I hadn't realized Duke had this Power!!
    Gosh, that was funny!

    I have my own feelings about the U.S. forthcoming election, and because I don't know enough about what each running mate will do or not do for the U.S., I will keep those opinions to myself. We have enough of our own problems in B.C. Canada with our politicians!

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    You know Luba- I know a bit about Canadian laws but I know next to nothing about the government....

    Pretty sad considering we are neighbors....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fayebelle View Post
    You know Luba- I know a bit about Canadian laws but I know next to nothing about the government....

    Pretty sad considering we are neighbors....
    Actually, Faye, you are better off not knowing!

    Seriously though, our former Medical system has gone down the tubes and there are long waits for all kinds of life-threatening operations. I know of one man who is waiting for heart surgery, and is so worried about each day, just to survive and last I heard he was on a waiting list. So many services have been down-sized and I could go on and on..but won't. I'm kind of hijacking this thread...

    Anyway, I guess each Country has it's own problems with their Government. Is there a Country in the World that is happy with what's going on on their own turf?

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    Monaco
    Mauritius
    The Vatican
    Liechtenstein

    possibly the Seychelles and San Marino
    some island states in the Pacific. That is about it.
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    [QUOTE=Luba;94125]
    Quote Originally Posted by Fayebelle View Post


    Seriously though, our former Medical system has gone down the tubes and there are long waits for all kinds of life-threatening operations. I know of one man who is waiting for heart surgery, and is so worried about each day, just to survive and last I heard he was on a waiting list. So many services have been down-sized and I could go on and on..but won't. I'm kind of hijacking this thread...
    See these would be the "laws" I am aware of and why I am completely against socialized medicine here. I am sad to say the ONLY reason I know is due to research to defend MY point- not an actual interest in Canadian government....


    Perhaps I should look into this.... on a non-Sunday

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    Actually socialised health care does not have to be expensive.

    However, capitalism ensures it will be disproportionately expensive. And that is true for both private as social health care.

    Case in point: my mom had a minor brain infact 7 or 8 years ago. She recovered quickly, WAS not offered much of tests, to check whether the damage was big, or anything.

    A couple of months back, she apparently had a minor, minor brain infarct. The only reason to suspect that, was because she was a bit dizzy. Fast forward spending $20,000 (!) on tests, to determine if anything might be wrong, and you know why social health care becomes unaffordable. Don't think that we have any clue whatsoever what happened.

    Socialized hospitals make money on the basis of the procedures they do; and any flimsy medical justification is more than enough to ensure money is being spent on these procedures, even if they are totally unneccessary.
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    That does not however provide for education and advancements.

    Where is the reward for effort for the health care providers?


    All are created equal but some CHOOSE to excel. They should be rewarded for this.

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    I was not commenting on that:

    All are created equal but some CHOOSE to be sick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fayebelle View Post
    NO NO NO
    I mean health care PROVIDERS!
    I know. I was addressing the issue from the perspective of the patients.

    The issue of unlimited access is addressed by socialised health care. Sadly, it does not address the issue of whether a treatment or test is actually needed. Because you don't pay directly for it (insurance does), a lot of resources are wasted on tests that are not really necessary. The tests are needed to keep the whole system running. Also it creates a huge demand for doctors, medical equipment, etc., that would not have been there, if those tests were administered in a responsible way.

    Sometimes an X-Ray can tell you more than enough. Why use far more expensive imaging techniques? Because the profit margin is bigger on that for the hospital.
    Note: this also seems to apply to private health care in the US. Private health care is a great way to prevent unneccesary waste of money on tests when they are not really needed (although I strongly suggest that you check out whether the tests you get offered in private health care are needed).

    However, once you get hit by a chronic illness, you are pretty much done for without social insurance, unless your bank account is filled with lots of money.

    As for the motives of the providers, they are not too different in the two systems. Both are (at the moment) about earning as much money as they can.


    The trick is finding a balance between the excesses of privatized health care and socialized health care.
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    Or accountability for the consumer. Another reason that health care is so expensive is the cost of educating doctors, insurance they have to carry for malpractice suits, and the number of people that have no intention of paying for ANY checkup/procedure/etc....

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    Yes. In the US the average doctor spends about 50% of his income on malpractice insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fayebelle View Post
    You know Luba- I know a bit about Canadian laws but I know next to nothing about the government....

    Pretty sad considering we are neighbors....

    Considering the shaky ground you're or regarding your own government, who can blame you for not knowing what the Canucks are up to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vautrin View Post
    Yes. In the US the average doctor spends about 50% of his income on malpractice insurance.
    Not sure about that statistic but wouldn't surprise me.

    Get rich quick is the greatest goal of most Americans and a law suit is the greatest asset to many in an attempt to reach the finish line

    Don't get me wrong- there are times that professionals need to be held accountable for their blunders- but that was taken to the extreme where people were suing for any result they didn't approve of.

    RIDICULOUS IMHO that people can sue plastic surgeons I mean REALLY - was it necessary to begin with?!?!


    The Good Samaritan Laws that were passed to protect Doctors that tried to help people outside of work- NAUSEATING that they were necessary b/c people were suing for broken ribs when CPR was performed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post


    Considering the shaky ground you're or regarding your own government, who can blame you for not knowing what the Canucks are up to?
    OK smarty pants- how many times CAN reps run for office?

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    By
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    Tuesday, May 23, 1995; Page A01
    The Supreme Court ruled yesterday that states could not set term limits for members of Congress, saying American democracy was built on the principle that individual voters choose who governs and for how long.
    Washingtonpost.com: Term Limits Special Report

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    Ummm, were you not the one who was not so sure, and dragged the whole argument up in the first place, Faye?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fayebelle View Post
    Soooooooooooooooo in other words- I WAS RIGHT!!!



    YOU DIDN'T KNOW that you were RIGHT!!!


    For Goodness sakes, you could probably walk out into your front yard and FIND A US CONGRESSMAN and ASK him about Term Limits!!!!

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